Right now I'm in a stard a mouse.

Welcome to the New York Times pop cast, your dirtbag sheik

Staten Island boyfriend of music news and criticism.

I'm your host Joe Coscarelli filling in

for John Caramonica who is on a much-needed vacation. That of course is

Ariana Grande, no tears left to cry, one of the big songs of the summer.

By the time you're hearing this, Ariana will have another number one album, the biggest

album in the country right now.

And she also has maybe the number one couple in the country right now.

Ariana Grande and Pete Davidson of S&L, paparazzi faves, internet darlings, big season for Ariana. Papa-Otsy faves, Internet Darlings.

Big season for Ariana Grande to discuss her career, what got us to this point where she is now.

I've convened a little roundtable of outsiders. Two first-time

pop casters, Nolan Feeney, digital features editor at Billboard joining us.

Thanks for coming. Another first- we have Josh Duboff here.

He is a senior writer at Vanity Fair who wrote a little bit about Ariana this week.

I haven't used an upper case letter all day in preparation for this.

Yes.

Yes. Unless you're writing God.

Unless God, right.

God is capitalist.

And R.E.

Because it's a Beyonce.

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