In advance of this conversation with Virgie Tovar, I read her book, You Have the Right to Remain Fat.

Well, actually, I devoured it. Virgie's thinking about bodies and food

and the politics of bodies and food made me take a hard look at my own assumptions and biases.

Uncomfortable, but necessary. Vergie has an online course, Babe Camp, and a podcast, Rebel Eaters Club.

Both are part of her mission to help anyone who wants to break up with diet culture.

Virgie, thank you for waking up early to do this.

My pleasure. Virgie, tell you for waking up early to do this. Oh, my pleasure.

Virgie, tell me about being four years old and the first thing you would do when you'd come home.

I was a little fat kid.

I was a chubby kid in a chubby family.

And my favorite thing to do every day when I got home from running errands

with my grandma was jiggle. Like I would push open the front door and I would run to the bathroom

and I would take off all my clothes and then I would run out to the kitchen where my grandmother

pretty much lived. And I would like spread to the kitchen where my grandmother pretty much lived and I would like spread

out my arms and legs and I would jiggle and she would just laugh and laugh and I just it really sort of

is this vivid memory because I had forgotten about that beautiful jiggling feeling in adulthood, but like I had this

recollection a few years ago that like, oh my goodness, I used to love that sensation of fat

moving. Like I loved how my arm fat like moved and my tummy fat moved and my thigh fat moved and it felt like magic. I remember thinking

it felt like the water in the bathtub or like the water at the pool. It was like so pleasurable to

feel that sensation of my body moving. And it's such a high contrast to how we're taught to

think of that sensation in adulthood, you know? I do. I mean, and I have a four-year-old daughter

and she loves to do multiple alpha changes a day. And she is super into her body and it breaks me knowing that at some point

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