How Trump is undermining the fight against public corruption
The NPR Politics Podcast
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🗓️ 7 May 2026
⏱️ 18 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | Hey there, it's the NPR Politics Podcast. |
| 0:06.7 | I'm Ashley Lopez. I cover politics. |
| 0:08.5 | I'm Ryan Lucas. I cover the Justice Department. |
| 0:10.4 | And I'm Mara Liason, senior national political correspondent. |
| 0:13.9 | Today on the podcast, we dig into actions by the Trump administration that experts say are undermining the fight against public corruption. Ryan, |
| 0:21.8 | you've been reporting on this. Can you tell us what you found? Well, there are two things in |
| 0:26.0 | particular that I looked at when looking at the question of public corruption. One of them is |
| 0:30.6 | pardons that President Trump has issued for former elected officials and their co-conspirators. And I found that there are at least |
| 0:40.9 | 15 former elected officials and co-conspirators of there is convicted of or charged with |
| 0:45.3 | corruption that the president has pardoned this term. So since January of last year. That's an |
| 0:51.7 | average of almost one a month. And the examples run from a former Arkansas |
| 0:57.6 | state lawmaker, former Tennessee state house speaker, Antizade. They were convicted in a kickback |
| 1:03.2 | scheme with taxpayer-funded mailor services. The one that really sticks out to me is a |
| 1:08.0 | former Las Vegas councilwoman named Michelle Fiore. |
| 1:12.1 | She was convicted of pocketing $70,000 in donations meant to build memorials to slain police officers |
| 1:21.1 | and instead spending money on cosmetic surgery, rent, her daughter's wedding. |
| 1:27.5 | Of the 15 pardons, more than half are for Republicans or Trump supporters. |
| 1:34.1 | So there does appear to be a partisan angle on this. |
| 1:37.3 | I asked the White House if they have any comment on my findings. |
| 1:42.8 | And what they said in a statement was that President Trump |
| 1:45.6 | has exercised his constitutional authority to issue pardons and commutations, including those who have |
| 1:51.3 | been victims of Biden's weaponized justice system. And they went on to say that the only |
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