Hello and welcome to the GZero World podcast.

This is where you'll find extended versions of my interviews on public television.

I'm Ian Bremmer, and today we are talking about the future of healthcare under President Trump and what it could mean, not just for the United States, but for the rest of the world.

The Trump administration has made it clear it wants

to slash government spending and remake institutions like the CDC, the NIH, and the FDA.

Trump has had a whirlwind first few weeks in office among his many changes and executive orders.

He pulled the U.S. out of the World Health Organization and froze all foreign aid, which includes a wide range of support for global health programs.

Meanwhile, the Senate is debating RFK Jr.'s nomination to lead health and human services.

He's an alternative medicine advocate, noted vaccine skeptic, and the cultural force behind the Trump administration's Make America Healthy Again agenda,

a movement united by skepticism toward mainstream health institutions, Big Pharma, and government mandates.

What will Trump's executive orders mean for medical research and public health programs?

Should we be worried about the spread of bird flu and potential new pandemics?

Will the CDC endorse RFK's ideas about raw milk and unfloridated water?

To break it all down, I'm joined by New York Times, science and global health reporter of Pura Mondavili.

Let's get to it.

Thank you. Let's get to it. Apurva Mondevili. Welcome to to GZare World. My pleasure.

So we've now seen you've been reporting quite closely on the RFK Junior Senate confirmations.

Tell me what you've made of that any surprises as you've seen it.

Well, I expected them to be heated because, you know, he has made a lot of controversial

statements and I expected that at least some of the senators would really hold him to those and ask him.

But it really went way beyond my expectations.

It was just so dramatic at times.

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