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🗓️ 15 February 2025
⏱️ 35 minutes
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0:00.0 | Hello and welcome to the GZero World Podcast. |
0:05.0 | This is where you'll find extended versions of my conversations on public television. |
0:09.0 | I'm Ian Bremmer, and today, as a fragile ceasefire between Israel and Hamas holds, |
0:15.0 | we're talking about Gaza's future. |
0:17.0 | Donald Trump shocked the world by suggesting the United States take over Gaza, turn it into the Riviera of the Middle East and relocate the Gazans. |
0:26.6 | Was this naive? Was he just trolling? Or, as Israeli Prime Minister Nanyahu hinted, could he be on to something? |
0:33.6 | Here's a more basic question. How should we think about where a people live? For millennia, |
0:39.7 | land has shaped identity, and by the end of the Second World War, two-thirds of Europe's Jews |
0:45.7 | had been murdered. Millions more uprooted from their homes. Israel's founders sought to create a |
0:51.4 | nation that could not only serve as a refuge, but put Jewish identity |
0:56.0 | literally on the map. Palestinians too have a history of displacement. The 1948 Israel-Arab |
1:03.6 | War forced 750,000 Palestinians, 80% of their population, to flee their homes, tripling Gaza's population. |
1:13.0 | Today, Trump has one answer for where displaced Gazans should go. |
1:18.1 | Thousands who marched up the Gaza Strip to return to their level neighborhoods, they have another. |
1:23.9 | So who gets to decide? |
1:26.0 | Joining me is someone with a direct stake in that answer, |
1:29.8 | Palestinian ambassador to the United Nations, Riyadh Mansour. |
1:33.2 | I spoke with Mansour on Monday, February 10th, |
1:35.9 | and events have continued to rapidly unfold since. |
1:39.1 | Let's get to it. |
1:43.8 | Music Ambassador Riyadh-Bansur, it's nice to have you back on the show. |
2:00.4 | Thank you very much for having me. |
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