I think what President Trump said this week objectively qualifies as not only the worst thing he's ever said,

but possibly the worst thing any American leader has said in modern memory.

We're going to murder a whole civilization.

No one will forget that. No one in that part of the world will forget that for generations.

It will always have been true that the leader of the United States said that. He is someone with

a kind of emotional intelligence to understand what will hurt, what will provoke. He has the

abuser's psyche to know what exact thing to say will most cause you

pain. I'm Joanna Coles. This is the Daily Beast podcast. And while everyone is exhaling with

relief that the end of civilization has not yet rained down upon Iran, we haven't forgotten

part of the reason for this war to distract from the Epstein files. So we're going back into

them today with Anand Girdadas and looking at what he says is the most overlooked Epstein

exchange of emails with a German philosopher

called Yoshka Bak.

I hadn't come across these emails before and what they reveal about Epstein and his

network is remarkable.

But just before we get to the conversation, please smash the subscription

button on your podcast. Wherever you get your podcasts, we really appreciate your support because

we are independent media. So we can bring you these conversations, but your subscribing really helps

us. Okay, Anan, let's get into it.

Anand, we are back. Donald Trump may think he's distracting from the Epstein files,

but we're going to do a deep dive into what you say is the most overlooked Epstein email.

We won't be distracted. We will not be distracted.

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