From 1982 to 2007, 25 years, four Americans, there was one mild recession and no inflation.

A quarter century of economic stability.

Now look at what's happened since 2007.

The Great Recession, the pandemic shop, the follow-up inflation.

We've lived through a time of a tremendous economic turbulence.

I'm Joanna Coles. I'm the chief content officer of The Daily Beast. Welcome to the Daily Beast

podcast. I hope you're ironing your clothes, walking your dog or doing something equally useful.

Today we are talking to one of my favorite conservative writers, David Frum, from the Atlantic,

who's just launched his own podcast,

The David Frum Show. He worked for George Bush and, in fact, coined the term the Axis of Evil.

But last November, he left the Republican Party, just given up with Donald Trump as leadership.

So we're going to get into it. How did the Republican

Party end up in this place? And let's talk about that monumental grift that Donald Trump has

been doing. So David Frum, very excited to have you on the podcast. This is the first time

we've had you on.

And I guess my first question, just stepping back a little bit from what's actually going on at the moment is you left the Republican Party in November.

Yeah. Are you politically homeless? And does the Republican Party ever come back, not necessarily to what it was before, but to a home for moderates? Well, I stayed in through the first Trump term and then through the Biden years

because I believe, look, I spent my political life there and I believe that I had some duty

to assist at the reconstruction when that became possible. And I remained optimistic that

reconstruction was coming. To me, one of the messages of the November 2024 election is

reconstruction is not coming. This is the future. And those of us who don't agree with this future,

we need to go somewhere else. I don't worry too much about a personal home for myself.

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