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Apple News In Conversation

How toxic chemicals quietly took over our lives

Apple News In Conversation

Apple News

News Commentary, News

4.61.3K Ratings

🗓️ 15 May 2025

⏱️ 33 minutes

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Summary

Forever chemicals, also known as PFAS, are found in virtually every corner of the world, including in most people’s bodies. These synthetic compounds have been linked to a wide range of health issues — from infertility to cancer to neurological problems — even at low levels of exposure. In a new book, They Poisoned the World: Life and Death in the Age of Forever Chemicals, investigative journalist Mariah Blake lays out how these toxic chemicals became so ubiquitous. Blake spoke with Apple News In Conversation host Shumita Basu about a group of unlikely activists fighting back against those responsible and offers practical tips to protect yourself. Listen to the full interview on Apple Podcasts.

For more resources, go to Environmental Working Group’s Skin Deep, Mamavation, or National Science Foundation.

Transcript

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0:00.0

Hey there. Before we get into today's episode, I have a quick favor to ask. If you love this show,

0:06.3

please subscribe on Apple Podcasts and rate and review us. It really helps other people find us,

0:11.8

and it helps us know what you're liking and want to hear more of. Thank you. On with the show.

0:20.2

This is In Conversation from Apple News. I'm Shemitabasu. Today, how forever chemicals have poisoned the world.

0:43.0

For most of his life, Michael Hickey never saw himself as an activist.

0:44.8

He's an insurance underwriter.

0:47.2

He has a fear of public speaking.

0:49.9

That's investigative journalist Mariah Blake.

0:51.6

He had no interest in environmental issues.

0:52.9

He had no interest in politics. He liked to joke that he got his news from ESPN.

0:56.7

Then in 2010, his father was diagnosed with an aggressive kidney cancer and died a few years later at the age of 70.

1:04.3

Michael was devastated, and he started to think about how this could have happened,

1:08.4

and about some of the other deaths in their small town of

1:11.4

Hoosick Falls, New York.

1:13.1

Everyone in the community had stories of people who had died young of cancer, and there

1:18.2

seemed to be extraordinarily high rates of rare cancers and aggressive cancers.

1:25.9

Michael began to suspect that these deaths had something to do with the local Teflon factory,

1:30.9

where his father had worked for many years.

1:33.1

So I typed Teflon and cancer into Google,

1:37.5

and he called up this large health study that had taken place in West Virginia,

1:42.9

and it showed that this particular chemical

1:45.2

called PFOA as a type of forever chemical had been linked to kidney cancer.

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