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Hey, what's up, my friend? Grant Baldwin here. Welcome back to the speaker podcast. So good to have you here with us today. Whether you're a brand new speaker, you're just getting started. You just don't know what you don't know. Or you're someone that's been at this for a little while and you're trying to figure out how do you continue to scale up your speaking business and continue to multiply your income and your impact. We are glad that you are here today. Today we've got a great guest

for you. This person is a legend in the speaking industry. Today we're going to be talking with

Nancy Dwarte. Now Nancy is the author of several books, Slidology, Resnay, Illuminate, her most recent

book, Data Story. And so she is very prolific in the world of speaking and presentations and slides and

stories. So we get into all of that. We get into how she got into this world. It's a very

fascinating story of how she got into it. She's been at this for a long time, has worked with some

big, big, big names. In fact, so much so that one of the things I ask her, she couldn't even contractually

answer that big of a name. So I think you're going to like that. We talk about slides. And

when you shouldn't, shouldn't use slides, we're going to be talking about rules and guidelines for

slides, common mistakes that speakers make whenever using slides. We also spend a lot of time talking

about stories and how to use stories, how to craft stories, how to deliver stories, what makes stories so powerful and so compelling.

We talk about if you're going to be using data in your presentation, how to incorporate that in an interesting and compelling way.

And then also we have a random happening that you will not be able to see, but you'll be able to hear all about. So

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