This guest has had such an impact on my life. He is the founder of the entire field of

positive psychology and he's made an enormous change in the whole industry and he's on with

his co-author of his latest book. Their book is called Tomorrow Mind, Thriving at Work

with Resilience, Creativity and Connection, now and in an uncertain future. So it's called

Tomorrow Mind and it's by Martin Seligman and Gabriella Rosen-Kellerman. I originally

read Martin Seligman's book Learned Optimism and then Authentic Happiness and his whole point

is that a psychology is always focused on what's wrong with you and how can we fix you.

Whereas he wanted to say, let's say nothing's wrong with you but you just want to be a happier,

more productive, more creative person and that's what he developed this entire field of positive

psychology around which I think this book really encapsulates all of his ideas and all of Gabriella's

ideas as well. So Gabriella then does the brain research to show why these ideas work and they in

this book and in this podcast we talk about how to basically be happier, how to find meaning in

your life, what's the difference between meaning and do you matter to others, how to create more

engagement in your life, how to achieve mastery in life and more importantly or most importantly

because it's a tool for all of these, what are the, we break down the components of creativity

and how to be more creative and it's just one of the more fascinating interviews I've done,

really happy to use the word about it and I had a lot of questions about optimism actually because

sometimes when the world's a scary place it's a little bit harder to be optimistic and often,

often I'm accused of being too optimistic like when I used to go a lot on CNBC people would of

course laugh at me for being too optimistic during bad times but you know I'm actually not as

optimistic as it would often seem I think sometimes you know the world is a scary place and we talk

about what are the benefits of pessimism, what are the benefits of optimism, how you can become

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