Hello and welcome to The Upgrade, the podcast from the team at LifeHacker, where we help you improve your life one week at a time.

I'm Melissa Kirsch, editor-in-chief of Lifehacker. And I'm Alice Bradley,

Lifehacker's deputy editor. And today we're going to learn how to think like cats.

Meow! That's right. Our guest is Stefan Garnier. He's a French author, essayist,

journalist, and humorist. His latest book is How to Think Like a Cat. Obviously, when we heard this title, we had to talk to him.

Because we want to be like cats. Exactly. Or we wanted to know what it meant to think like a cat.

Right? I want to know exactly how my cat thinks because she torments me every day. And I want to know what's up with that.

I think that the question of what cats are thinking is a perennial question for all of us who have

ever observed a cat. And I think there are larger themes here. Comparing ourselves to cats,

on the one hand, it seems very light, right? But he actually finds the profound in comparing the way humans think and the way that cats think.

We really are very much obsessed with what other people think of us.

And cats seem not to be.

Yeah.

And cats live in the present, which is a thing we struggle with lately.

Yeah.

So there are some lessons. Cont contemplate the cat consider the cat

do you want to hear an impersonation of my cat yes here's my cat in the middle of the night

see that is so totally annoying oh it's the's the worst. Yeah. So why?

My question to you as a cat owner.

That is the question we have is why?

Why do you have a cat?

Why do we own this thing?

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