The games that we played as children really profoundly influence our filters the way we solve problems, the way we think.

There's actually a lot of previously gamed out things from our past that are dictating a lot of the way we see the world and the way we're

interacting with people. Part of the beauty of games is that you can pretend to be

whoever the character you're playing is. You can be completely outside of yourself

and hopefully like explored new aspects of your personality

or act in ways that you wouldn't normally act and experience what it would be like

to be someone else. I think the most successful people are people who are

constantly remaking themselves and playing with what works and what doesn't work and exploring these different ideas in playful ways.

So have you ever wondered what our lives might be like if we approach them more like games.

If we saw challenges as opportunities for playful exploration instead of these stressful obstacles,

if we embrace our childlike sense of curiosity and engage with the world

through a lens of creativity and joy, well my guest today is Kelly Clancy and she is about

to take us on a mind expanding journey that will reshape how we view reality itself.

Kelly is a neuroscientist and physicist who's held positions in research at MIT, Berkeley,

University College of London, and the AI Company Deep Mind.

Her work focuses on really uncovering the core principles of intelligence by developing these

cutting edge brain computer interfaces that investigate the biological roots of human

agency and identity. This is deep powerful really groundbreaking work and in

her new book playing with reality how games have shaped our world,

Kelly explores how games, from ancient rituals to modern video games,

to have the power to reveal deep truths about human nature

while also providing just a safe space for us to experiment with different

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