Hey, how to listeners, happy holidays.

This is Carvel Wallace.

And we're off for the rest of the year, but we did want to leave you with this audio treat

that hopefully makes spending time with your family a little easier this holiday season.

You'll learn how to talk politics with your parents without yelling.

And you'll get to hear our listener navigate a real

life conversation with her dad and actually get somewhere productive. So I'm going to turn the

mic over to our former host, Amanda Ripley. Enjoy. You know, there's a desire to connect.

And we do have opinions and want to talk about the world,

and yet we can't do it in a way that doesn't end up with yelling, hanging up, you know,

swearing the other person off, or overall just feeling crappy and feeling, I mean, angry is one

thing, but also just sad. I think disappointed that we can't find a way to talk about this.

Welcome to how to.

I'm Amanda Ripley.

I don't know about the rest of you, but sometimes you can get pretty annoying when I get

added to a big group chat or email chain and my phone just start blowing up with memes and

forwards and jokes.

But for our guest this week, that sound fills them with an extra dose of dread.

I have a family situation, a pickle, you might say, that I'm hoping y'all can help us out with

today that deals with political emails and fathers.

That's Jen Brandel. She's a friend of mine who I've worked with on a couple different

projects. She's also a journalist from Chicago who co-founded Harkin, a company that

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