How to Stop Work From Taking Over Your Life
The Happiness Lab with Dr. Laurie Santos
Pushkin Industries
4.7 • 14.8K Ratings
🗓️ 16 March 2026
⏱️ 43 minutes
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Summary
Work doesn’t end when the workday does. Even after we close our laptops, our minds keep replaying awkward meetings, looming deadlines, and unfinished to-do lists. Over time, that “always on” mentality can quietly hijack our relationships, our health, and our happiness.
Dr. Laurie sits down with psychologist and bestselling author Guy Winch (Mind Over Grind: How to Break Free When Work Hijacks Your Life) to explore the science of work stress — and why so many of us get stuck in fight-or-flight mode long after we’ve left the office.
Plus, Ben Walter, host of “The Unshakeables” and CEO of Chase for Business, shares what he’s learned from working with small business owners who don’t have the option to simply “clock out.”
If you’ve ever felt like work is bleeding into everything, this episode offers science-based tools to help you take your life back.
Resources mentioned in this episode:
Mind Over Grind: How to Break Free When Work Hijacks Your Life
"Burnout: A Review of Theory and Measurement"
"The Relationship Between Workplace Stressors and Mortality and Health Costs in the United States"
"How Small Businesses Drive the American Economy"
"Yerkes-Dodson Law Of Arousal And Performance"
“The Use of Imagery to Manipulate Challenge and Threat Appraisal States in Athletes”
“Rebuilding After a Blaze: Luna Gourmet Coffee & Tea”
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| 0:00.0 | Pushkin. |
| 0:10.8 | When it comes to feeling happier, the approach we take to work really matters. |
| 0:17.4 | The average Americans spends about half of their waking hours on the job, which even if you're |
| 0:22.6 | lucky enough to love what you do can feel like a lot. But work doesn't always stop at the end of |
| 0:28.3 | the work day. And I'm not just talking about all the unpaid sorts of work we have to do, the |
| 0:33.2 | cooking and cleaning and caring for family members. I'm talking about the paid work that winds up creeping into the little free time we do have. |
| 0:41.2 | The metaphor I use is a pinball machine. |
| 0:43.4 | The work shoots out and then it starts dinging to your relationships, |
| 0:48.0 | to your personal life, to your thoughts, to your leisure, to your ability to recover, |
| 0:53.0 | to your self-care. And then when those become |
| 0:55.5 | compromised, it makes things worse at work, which makes things worse outside of work, which makes |
| 0:59.3 | things worse at work, digging back and forth. And that stress then stays in play for so much |
| 1:05.4 | longer, which is why we're getting burnt out. This is psychologist, podcaster, and best-selling |
| 1:10.3 | author Guy Wynch. Guy is an expert on |
| 1:12.9 | managing all kinds of tough emotions. But his latest book, Mind Over Grind, How to Break Free When |
| 1:18.4 | Work Hijacks Your Life, is all about strategies we can use to create a healthier work-life balance, |
| 1:24.2 | something Guy admits he wasn't always great at. Literally a year into my professional career, I was totally burnt out. |
| 1:32.1 | I recognized that in an incident where I was in the elevator with a neighbor and it stalled |
| 1:37.4 | between floors and the neighbor went into a panic. |
| 1:40.6 | And here I am a psychologist. |
| 1:42.3 | I wasn't panicked. |
| 1:43.4 | I knew what to say to calm him down, but I just was incredibly rude and cruel even to him. He was just like hitting all the buttons and I was like, oh, this is going to take forever to get upstairs now. And then he was going, this is my nightmare. This is my nightmare. And my response is I looked at him and I said, and this is my nightmare. And it was so, I mean, it was funny in my head, but it was terrible. And when I saw his face, I felt such remorse. And I was like, why did I do that? And that's when I realized, oh, because I am drained. I'm so exhausted. I have like nothing left. And then I realize, wow, I'm a year in. And I'm burnt out. And that was a moment of what I know people call depersonalization where you're kind of annoyed at the intentions of the people around you. Talk about what this feeling of burning out at work did to your socialization, your self-care, the other parts of your life. So when you're burnt out at work, but you have to keep going. I'm self-employed, so I have to keep going. Really, one of the survival mechanisms psychologically is you numb. You just put your head down and get from task to task to task. You're not enjoying what you do. There's no passion for what you do. You feel jaded about what you do. It doesn't seem important. It doesn't seem meaningful or fun, and you're not doing a great job, for sure. |
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