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🗓️ 16 June 2025
⏱️ 80 minutes
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Who would you choose to be if you weren’t shit scared about what other people might think about you? Writer and speaker Natalie Lue has noticed that people pleasing is often a response to anxiety.
In this chat with Fearne, Natalie explains how when you desperately people please, you’re putting your self-esteem on the chopping block. In becoming disassociated from your “no” you become disassociated from your needs, desires, opinions, and limits.
Natalie talks through the five ways people pleasing might show up in your life, including ‘efforting’ (e.g. over-achieving at school and work), and ‘saving’ through trying to fix other people’s problems. Plus, a word of warning that pushing past your mental and emotional limits can lead to physical health issues.
Natalie’s book, The Joy of Saying No, is out now.
If you liked this episode of Happy Place, you might also like:
Saying No: More Boundaries, Less People Pleasing
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0:01.0 | Hello and welcome to Happy Place. I'm Fern Cotton and this is the show that helps you |
0:05.2 | prioritise yourself. Today I'm chatting to Natalie Lou. We have these people please of feelings. |
0:11.3 | Anxiety, resentment, guilt, irritation, frustration, feeling low, helpless, powerless, overloaded, |
0:17.8 | overwhelmed. Those feelings tell us that we said yes to something, that for all |
0:22.4 | intents and purposes is a good thing, but we've done it for the wrong reasons. I always say |
0:27.0 | if you don't say yes authentically, you say it resentfully, fearfully or avoidantly, and that leads |
0:31.9 | to more problems than if you just said no in the first place. So guys, welcome to my messy world today. I just want to remind you all |
0:40.4 | that we're living through absolute mess always. And even when things look shiny and perfect on |
0:44.8 | Instagram, they're bloody well not. I woke up this morning at half four because my daughter got in |
0:49.8 | the bed with me. She was sucking her thumb really loudly in my ear and I couldn't get back to sleep. |
0:55.4 | Five, I ended up getting out of bed because my brain was just racing and I thought I can't listen |
1:00.0 | to this bullshit anymore. I'm going to get out. When I say bullshit, I mean the thoughts in my head, |
1:04.2 | not my daughter next to me. I was just like, my head's being mad. Got up. Simon, one of my cats, and puked everywhere, Frank had a mouse. It was alive running |
1:13.3 | around and he was sort of kicking it. So I had to grab a teetow, grab the mouse, try and put it |
1:19.1 | back out in the garden. I think it's absolute chaos. Then my son tells me he's got an exam this |
1:26.2 | morning when he wakes up. He needs a clear pencil |
1:28.1 | case, a protractor, and a raisable pen, a pencil rubber and pencil sharpener, all of which apparently |
1:33.5 | he doesn't own. Cut to me. Texting my neighbours, begging people in the local area for a bloody |
1:40.1 | protractor. Oh my God, I'm absolutely exhausted, but I know many of you will meet me there |
1:45.3 | in that place of complete burnout from just the small little moments of life that wear us down. |
1:51.6 | But look, we're in this together and we can do this. And today someone's going to help us. |
1:55.8 | She's called Natalie. And she's a brilliant writer, speaker, artist and founder of one of the longest running self-help blogs in the world. |
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