Hello and welcome to the Spectator podcast. I'm Laura Prendergast, and on this week's episode,

we're going to be talking about staying sane in Trump World. We'll also be discussing whether

Hull deserves its title of City of Culture this year. And finally, we'll be talking about whether

Tappler was right to ban the word ghastly.

Welcome to the era of Donald Trump.

It's only been a few weeks, but already waves of anger have been pulsating around the world.

So how can you keep your head amidst all the craziness?

In this week's issue of the spectator, Harry Mount offers a guide,

and he joins me now, along with Michael Segelov, the news editor for Huck magazine. So Harry, what do you suggest? How can we keep cool? Well, I begin my article by quoting Donald

Trump's favorite bit of scripture when he was asked on the campaign trail what his

favorite bit of the Bible was, he said, an eye for an eye, and that captures him pretty well.

He's an extremely aggressive, thin-skinned man,

and he's worked out either by accident or design that anger is a really effective way of,

well, winning an election in the first place. And my article is saying, we shouldn't respond

with anger. You end up with two halves of the world just screaming at each other. We should

prove ourselves superior by analysing his very many faults and the faults of the travel ban in a cool, considered way.

And Michael, do you think we need to get angry?

Yeah, of course.

I'd say that there is, of course, a time and a place for responding to people who are saying things in a cool, calm, collected manner.

But at the same time

there are very real very pertinent very present consequences to things already happening under his

administration and to sit silently by while they happen is is you know really dangerous

...