It feels a little bit like when there's Choose Your Own Adventure Books, where you're told, you know, if your victim mentions a promotion, turn to page 47.

If they seem sad about their cat, go back to page 23. Deploy emergency empathy. Smashing Security, Episode 449

How to Scam someone in seven days, with Graham Cluelly and special guest Leslie Carhart.

Hello, hello, and welcome to Smashing Security episode 449. My name is Graham Cluley. And I'm Leslie Carhart. Hello, hello, and welcome to Smashing Security episode 449.

My name is Graham Cluelly.

And I'm Leslie Carhart.

Leslie, thanks for coming on the show.

First time on the pod, of course.

Hey, you're a well-known name in the world of cybersecurity.

If people aren't familiar of Leslie Carhart, they should at least be familiar with

hacks for pancakes, which is your, what is that your pseudonym?

Is that what we'd be right to call it?

I'm well known.

This is very exciting.

Somebody tell my dad.

It's self-deprecating humor.

My handle refers to, it's like move sofas for pizza something like that it's oh i see i do a lot of volunteer work in the community and i never get remunerated for it

and i just do that now you know like i do it because it's fun and i and i care people. I think so I kind of get paid in food for a lot of stuff. You are being self-deprecating here because you are a known name in the world of cybersecurity. You give talks. You're an online presence. I see you popping up on my social feeds all of the time as well. And you've been working in cybersecurity for some years now,

haven't you? Since dinosaurs walk the earth. Yes, I've been in cybersecurity for about 20 years now.

And what particular area of cybersecurity do you work in? I do critical infrastructure investigations.

So digital forensics and incident response on things like planes and trains and factories and ships and all kinds of

industrial stuff that's part of critical infrastructure. Well, before we kick off today's

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