How to rethink America's borders

Future Perfect

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Politics, Society & Culture, Philosophy, Tech News, News

4.5 • 622 Ratings

🗓️ 7 November 2018

⏱️ 22 minutes

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Summary

The most reliable, best-documented way to lift someone in a poor country out of poverty? Let them come to the US (or another rich country). That’s the argument of Fabio Rojas, a self-described advocate of open borders. That idea is often used as a punching bag by immigration opponents, but Rojas argues it could dramatically reduce poverty without costing Americans jobs. ––– Further reading: Fabio Rojas’s “simplified argument” for open borders Rojas’s three-part series on how to achieve open borders Michael Clemens explains the debate over the Mariel boatlift from Cuba, which has become super-important in immigration economics The National Immigration Forum summarizes the Fairness for High-Skilled Immigrants Act of 2017, for which Leon Fresco is lobbying More of Vox’s effective altruism coverage ––– Discover more podcasts from Vox here. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:24.6	I start with a very intuitive example.
0:27.6	This is Fabio Rojas, a sociologist.
0:30.6	I lived in Chicago when I went to graduate school there, and every day, thousands upon thousands
0:35.6	of people from Indiana and Wisconsin would travel to work in Chicago.
0:41.1	And you'd say, that's all right. It's okay if somebody comes to Chicago to get a job.
0:46.8	Who are we to tell somebody that traveling from Indiana to Chicago is a bad thing? They should decide for themselves.
0:54.0	However, we don't apply
0:55.8	the same logic or reason when we think about people from other countries. Why is it bad that a
1:00.9	person from Canada or Germany or Mexico should come to our country?
1:08.4	From the Vox Media Podcast Network, this is Future Perfect, a podcast where we look at big problems through the lens of effective altruism.
1:15.6	I'm Dylan Matthews.
1:17.6	Effective altruists are obsessed with increasing well-being, and they want to find low-cost, efficient ways to do it.
1:25.6	One idea that seems low-cost, at least on its surface, efficient ways to do it.
1:28.3	One idea that seems low cost, at least on its surface, open borders.
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