How to play the long game, with New York Times CEO Meredith Kopit Levien

Decoder with Nilay Patel

Vox Media Podcast Network

Technology, Business

4.3 • 3.2K Ratings

🗓️ 23 March 2023

⏱️ 62 minutes

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Meredith Kopit Levien is the CEO of The New York Times, which is perhaps the most famous journalism organization in the world, and certainly one of America’s most complicated companies. The Times is 172 years old, and has only recently become a force on the internet. It’s hard to remember, but back in 2014 and ‘15, people thought the Times was doomed — that it would be replaced by BuzzFeed and Vice and Vox. Instead, the company has undergone a radical and sometimes painful public transformation, and emerged as something closer to Netflix or Spotify – a subscription business with a huge investment in product and engineering. Meredith has led a lot of that change, and in particular, she’s led the charge in turning a Times subscription into much more than paying for news – NYT Cooking and Games are hit apps, and of course she bought Wordle last year in a bit of a coup. We talked about that structure, how Meredith intends to appeal to a broader audience with all those products when the country is basically divided in half politically and one half doesn’t care for the Times at all, and about platforms and growth. And like all media organizations, the Times has a complex relationship with Google, so we talked about that, too. Links: Our Strategy | The New York Times Company NYT CEO outlines plans to reach 15 million subscribers by 2027 Why the New York Times is buying the Athletic Wordle has been bought by The New York Times, will ‘initially’ remain free for everyone to play The Economics at the Heart of the Times Union Standoff 'Unstoppable innovator': The meteoric rise of Meredith Kopit Levien, the next New York Times CEO Transcript: https://www.theverge.com/e/23416720 Credits: Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. It was produced by Creighton DeSimone and Hadley Robinson and it was edited by Amanda Rose Smith The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder. Our Editorial Director is Brooke Minters and our Executive Director is Eleanor Donovan. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	Support for this podcast comes from Toyota Crown.
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0:35.7	Toyota, let's go places.
0:37.7	Hello and welcome to Decoder.
0:41.8	I'm Neil Apital, Editor in Chief of the Verge and Decoder is my show about big ideas
0:46.0	and other problems.
0:47.5	We're in the middle of our Centennial series on companies that are over 100 years old,
0:51.4	and today's a particularly exciting episode.
0:53.8	I'm talking to Meredith Copen-Levi.
0:55.8	The CEO of The New York Times, which is perhaps the most famous journalism organization
1:00.3	in the world, and certainly one of America's most complicated companies.
1:04.4	Meredith joined the Times nearly a decade ago, and she worked in several executive roles
1:08.7	before taking the reins CEO in 2020.
1:12.0	I was joke that Decoder is a podcast about orchards, and the Times has a particularly interesting
1:16.7	structure.
1:17.7	It's a public company, it's listed on the New York Stock Exchange, but it remains controlled
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