How to Overcome Unconscious Bias with Jessica Nordell
The One You Feed
Eric Zimmer
4.6 • 2.5K Ratings
🗓️ 9 August 2022
⏱️ 61 minutes
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Summary
Jessica Nordell is an award-winning author, science writer, and speaker known for blending rigorous science with compassionate humanity. Her work has appeared in The New York Times, The Atlantic, The Washington Post, and many others. She is the recipient of a Gracie Award from American Women in Radio and Television, was named a Best New Poet by Tracy K. Smith, and was a 2022 featured speaker at SXSW.
In this episode, Eric and Jessica discuss her book, The End of Bias: A Beginning: The Science and Practice of Overcoming Unconscious Bias.
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Jessica Nordell and I Discuss How to Overcome Unconscious Bias and…
- Her book, The End of Bias: A Beginning: The Science and Practice of Overcoming Unconscious Bias
- What bias is and how prevalent it is
- Her personal experience being on the receiving end of another person’s bias
- Homophily
- The implecations of prejudice being a habit and a result of conditioning
- How labels and categorizing plant seeds of bias
- Ways to lessen the impact of categories on our perspectives
- Why being “color blind” can be so harmful to people (despite the well-meaning approach)
- Taking on more and broader perspectives helps us better understand the world
- Seeing the groups we don’t belong to as just as complex as our own group
- The fundamental attribution error
- The role of empathy in dissolving biases
- Hyper-objects
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| 0:00.0 | We might believe that we're people who treat others with fairness and justice and respect, |
| 0:05.3 | but because we've absorbed so many toxic ideas in our culture, |
| 0:09.9 | we can react in ways that really conflict with those values, |
| 0:13.1 | and it can be extremely harmful for others and for ourselves. |
| 0:24.3 | Welcome to The One You Feed. |
| 0:26.4 | Throughout time, great thinkers have recognized the importance of the thoughts we have, |
| 0:30.9 | quotes like garbage in, garbage out, or you are what you think, ring true, |
| 0:36.5 | and yet for many of us, our thoughts don't strengthen or empower us. |
| 0:40.8 | We tend toward negativity, self-pity, jealousy, or fear. |
| 0:45.5 | We see what we don't have instead of what we do. |
| 0:48.4 | We think things that hold us back and dampen our spirit. |
| 0:51.8 | But it's not just about thinking. |
| 0:53.8 | Our actions matter. It takes conscious, consistent, and creative effort to make a life worth living. |
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