Coming up on the Mark Devine show, I think of mindfulness practice and Zen practice, you know, in a way, it's a the world of non-duality, not being so convinced that we think we know what this world actually is.

Practices, I'd say like selflessness and timelessness, effortlessness,

seeing how, I guess the experience of the mystery and miraculousness of being alive,

being here as a, of our consciousness, being a human being for a short time on this planet,

and being able to live that, live that sense of sacredness and appreciation. I'm

Hi this is Mark Devine,

host of the Mark Devine show.

Welcome, thank you so much for joining me today.

Superstoke to have you here.

I will endeavor to make this

45 minutes an extraordinary one for you. I love to talk to folks from all walks of life on this show

to include top CEOs and executive coaches and elite athletes and warriors and

Zen Masters will start their own businesses and open up mindfulness programs at Google.

For instance, my guest today, Mark Lesser.

He's a CEO, an executive coach, and a Zen teacher.

He's founded over three companies

and helped develop that mindfulness program called Search Inside Yourself at Google.

He was a resident of San Francisco's Zen Center for 10 years and the director of the

Tassahara Zen Mountain Center, the first Zen monastery in the Western world,

is also recently the author of Finding Clarity,

Why Avoiding Conflict is Trouble in Strategies for Finding More Clarity. Mark, thanks so much for joining me on the

Mark Devine show. Before I get into the show, I wanted you to know that I'm opening up

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