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🗓️ 22 September 2025
⏱️ 25 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | This message comes from the podcast Landlines with Allison Williams. |
| 0:04.1 | The girls and get-out actress and her lifelong best friends, |
| 0:07.3 | an early childhood educator and behavioral therapist, |
| 0:10.0 | invite you to join the group chat every new parent needs. |
| 0:13.4 | Listen wherever you get your podcasts. |
| 0:16.3 | You're listening to Life Kit from NPR. |
| 0:20.9 | Hey, it's Mariel. |
| 0:23.1 | When Devon Loeb was growing up in the suburbs of New Jersey, in the late 90s, early 2000s, |
| 0:29.2 | he rarely saw black and brown people other than his own family members. |
| 0:33.6 | I was one of the only kids of color in class within the whole school. And I often felt like I didn't belong. |
| 0:39.7 | And then sometimes I wasn't invited to sleepovers. |
| 0:43.0 | I couldn't go out and play with the other kids. |
| 0:45.5 | Devon is mixed race. |
| 0:46.7 | His mom is black with roots in Alabama. |
| 0:49.3 | And his dad is white, Jewish, and from Long Island. |
| 0:52.7 | And as he became a teenager, Devon found that dating was especially fraught. |
| 0:58.5 | The girls in school either didn't want to date him because of his race, or if they did date |
| 1:03.1 | him, it felt like kind of a performance. |
| 1:06.1 | It was like, let me try to put this hat on. |
| 1:09.3 | Like, I'm going a date a black guy. |
| 1:12.0 | But then when I met Jenny, like, being black was just part of it. |
| 1:15.1 | But it wasn't like why she fell in love with me. |
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