Welcome to the Power Hour. I'm Adrienne Herbert, wellness coach, international speaker and author.

Each week I speak to a variety of guests from business founders to Olympic athletes, leading coaches,

change makers and innovators to find out their daily habits, their rules to live

by and what motivates them to get up out of bed each day. Personally, I am on a mission to

encourage, motivate and inspire, so I hope that the Power Hour will help you to achieve

your personal and professional goals. Welcome back to the Power Hour podcast. Today I'm

joined by best-selling author David Brooks. David is a columnist for The New York Times and has

previously written books drawing from the fields of psychology, neuroscience, history and education.

And his latest book, How to Know a Person, is a thoughtful

and practical guide to the art of truly knowing another person to help foster deeper relationships.

David, welcome to the podcast. Oh, it's good to be here. I'm honored. Thanks for your invitation.

Yeah, I'm really looking forward to this. I know there's so many things that we could

discuss. So let's just dive straight in. Relationships. Relationships are, of course, incredibly

important and we all have them in our work, in our homes, our family, our friends. Some relationships

can be great. They can make us feel great, they can make us feel good, other

relationships can be a lot more challenging.

So in your book, you talk about diminishes and illuminators.

So I think it's a good place to start.

First up, could you explain to us what those things are?

Yeah.

So my core thesis is that there's one skill at the center of any filthy relationship,

any healthy family, community, organization, or society. It's the ability to make people

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