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Leading Saints Podcast

How to Keep Your Ward Accountable | An Interview with Michael Timms

Leading Saints Podcast

Leading Saints

Christianity, Religion & Spirituality

4.8 • 1.2K Ratings

🗓️ 19 March 2026

⏱️ 64 minutes

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Summary

A best-selling author and internationally sought-after speaker and consultant, Michael Timms teaches practical leadership strategies that drive high-performance. He earned an M.B.A. from Utah State University, and was a consultant with Deloitte and an HR leader in the construction and manufacturing industries, prior to forming his own consultancy. Michael is the author of How Leaders Can Inspire Accountability and Succession Planning That Works.

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How Leaders Can Inspire Accountability: Three Habits That Make or Break Leaders and Elevate Organizational Performance
How to Claim Your Leadership Power | Michael Timms
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Highlights

Michael talks about the principles of accountability within the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. The discussion focuses on how leaders can foster a culture of ownership and high performance among volunteers without relying on the traditional levers of corporate consequences.

00:01:46 – The Challenge of Motivation and Accountability
00:02:18 – Introduction of Michael Timms and His Expertise
00:02:53 – Michael Timms’ Background and Approach to Accountability
00:03:59 – Accountability in a Faith Context
00:04:32 – Defining Accountability
00:06:18 – Understanding Results in a Church Context
00:09:23 – Starting Points for Accountability in Organizations
00:11:06 – The Role of Leaders in Accountability
00:12:20 – Key Behaviors for Modeling Accountability
00:14:21 – Setting Expectations in Leadership
00:16:43 – Importance of Feedback and Communication
00:20:03 – Clarifying Purpose and Results
00:21:36 – Establishing Expectations for Team Dynamics
00:24:24 – Addressing Accountability Breakdowns
00:26:45 – Three Habits of Personal Accountability
00:29:02 – Motivating People in a Volunteer Organization
00:30:26 – The Power of Positive Feedback
00:32:12 – Giving Ownership to Team Members
00:34:12 – Scenarios for Accountability in Activities
00:39:17 – Handling Blame in Accountability Conversations
00:41:39 – Avoiding Micromanagement in Leadership

Key Insights

Redefining Accountability: Timms defines accountability as taking ownership of results and focusing on the actions necessary to achieve the right outcomes, rather than using it as a euphemism for blame or punishment.

The Power of Modeling: Accountability begins with the leader; if those in positions of authority do not own their mistakes or seek feedback, others in the organization are unlikely to do so.

Defining Results: In a faith context, “results” should be defined broadly—such as bringing people closer to Christ—and then distilled into specific goals, such as building testimonies or improving how members feel about their Sunday experience.

Setting Clear Expectations: High-performing teams agree on general guidelines for how they will work together—such as preferred communication methods and response times—before diving into the work.

Three Habits of Personal Accountability: Michael highlights three essential behaviors for leaders: avoiding blame, “looking in the mirror” to see how they contributed to a problem, and “engineering the solution” by fixing broken systems or processes.

Motivation Through Ownership: Motivating volunteers is best achieved by giving them a say in outcomes, providing frequent positive feedback to trigger a sense of progress, and granting them true decision-making power within councils.

Leadership Applications

Requesting Feedback: Leaders can improve performance by sincerely asking those they lead for feedback on how to make it easier for them to achieve their goals.

Systemic Problem Solving: When a task is not completed, Michael suggests leaders should ask “where did the process break down?” rather than “who dropped the ball?” to reduce defensiveness and improve future results.

Standardizing Procedures: Implementing standard operating procedures for recurring events—such as meeting agendas or baptismal services—helps ensure consistency and reduces the mental load on volunteers.

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Transcript

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All right, here's our goal, folks.

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Leading Saints is no longer a podcast.

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Well, obviously we are a podcast.

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We will continue to podcast, but we're really shifting our focus over to Zion Lab,

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which is an online community put on and developed by leading saints.

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And this is where we want to go and gather the masses and share ideas about leadership, share ideas about different calling, share ideas about building Zion.

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And this is the place that we want to make online where all things are discussed, great ideas are shared, and that we can help one another in whatever calling we're in or what calling we're not in to feel like, you know, I've got purpose here.

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I can really make a difference in shifting culture in a better way or developing Zion in my own

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just jump in. It's free to join and create a profile and jump in and look around and answer some

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questions, leave a comment, pose a question. I think you'll benefit from the things we're doing

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over at Zion Lab. So join us. Hey, if you're a newbie to Leading Saints is important that you

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know, what is this leading Saints thing? Well, Leading Saints is a nonprofit organization dedicated

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to helping Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. And the way we do that is through content

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creation. So we have this phenomenal podcast. We have a newsletter. We have virtual conferences.

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So much more. Articles on our website. I mean, I could go on and on, right? And we encourage you to jump in, check out Leading Saints.

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Go to the search bar at LeadingSaints.org and type in some topics and see what pops up.

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We're just glad you're here to join us.

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All right, big question I get in the Leading saints email is, Kurt, listen, great content,

1:46.3

but how do you motivate people? How do I get people to do something that I need them to do?

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This is a pressure and attention that we often feel as church leaders. And the other side of that

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coin is accountability, right? How do you hold somebody accountable? Especially in a church context.

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