How to Investigate a President (with Elie Honig)

Stay Tuned with Preet

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Society & Culture, Politics, Government, News

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🗓️ 18 September 2025

⏱️ 47 minutes

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Summary

Ever wonder how special counsel investigations really work, and what goes on behind the scenes? Former Assistant U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York and Stay Tuned contributor Elie Honig offers insider access to the key players in his latest book, When You Come at the King: Inside DOJ’s Pursuit of the President, from Nixon to Trump. It is a riveting account of six modern special counsel cases compiled through dozens of interviews and firsthand stories. In the bonus for Insiders, Preet and Elie discuss what makes Elie such a prolific writer, plus, that one time the mob tried to kill Curtis Sliwa. Join the CAFE Insider community to stay informed without hysteria, fear-mongering, or rage-baiting. Head to cafe.com/insider to sign up. Thank you for supporting our work. Show notes and a transcript of the episode are available on our website. You can now watch this episode! Head to CAFE’s Youtube channel and subscribe. Have a question for Preet? Ask @PreetBharara on BlueSky, or Twitter with the hashtag #AskPreet. Email us at [email protected], or call 833-997-7338 to leave a voicemail. Stay Tuned with Preet is brought to you by CAFE and the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	From Cafe and the Vox Media Podcast Network, welcome to stay tuned.
0:06.0	I'm Preet Bharara.
0:08.2	While we do have a long history of presidents to varying extent undermining and at times obstructing these investigations,
0:16.0	what Donald Trump is doing right now is different in kind from everything that's come before, the notion of
0:22.4	there will be no inward-looking investigation, period, and I will seek retribution, hence when you
0:28.0	come at the king.
0:32.9	That's Ellie Honig, my former colleague at the Southern District of New York, and my current colleague, here at Stay Tuned, where he writes a weekly column.
0:41.3	His latest book is When You Come at the King, Inside DOJ's Pursuit of the President from Nixon to Trump.
0:47.5	It's a riveting account of something you may have heard of before, the special counsel's office.
0:52.1	Through dozens of interviews and firsthand accounts,
0:54.7	Ellie tells the story of six modern special counsel cases
0:57.5	and whether the increasingly popular office
0:59.8	best serves our mission of justice.
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