This is the 10% Happier Podcast. I'm Dan Harris.

Hello, my fellow suffering beings, how are we doing today?

What you're about to hear is a conversation between me and a high-performance psychologist

about a host of fascinating issues, what it's like to work at your edge, whether that's in meditation

and managing panic disorder or in your professional life.

Why love broadly understood, not just as romantic love, but why love might actually be the

most important skill you can develop, how to stay engaged in these tumultuous political times

without getting consumed by rage, and a concept called the ideal competitive mindset,

or ICM, which I found extremely useful. What you're about to hear is me ostensibly being

interviewed by my friend, Dr. Michael Jervais, who as I mentioned a few moments ago, is a high

performance psychologist, which means that he works with elite athletes and executives

to perform at their best. He was ostensibly, as I said, interviewing me for his podcast,

which is called Finding Mastery, but I, of course, because I can't help myself, asked him a

bunch of questions as well, so it's much more of a conversation. A couple of things to say

before we dive in.

First, Michael's been a guest on my podcast several times.

I'll drop some links to those conversations in my show notes.

Second, we recorded this a few months ago right after the killing of Charlie Kirk and then

Jimmy Kimmel's comments that temporarily got him fired or suspended.

So that part of the conversation

may seem a little bit dated, but the underlying stuff about how to stay engaged in this

difficult time is evergreen, sadly. And finally, I just want to say, don't forget to check out

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