How to help unite the church with Dr. Eric Mason
Pardon the Mess with Scarlet Hiltibidal - Christian Motherhood, Biblical Parenting, Raising Christian Kids
Scarlet Hiltibidal and Christian Parenting
4.9 • 849 Ratings
🗓️ 8 January 2026
⏱️ 34 minutes
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Summary
I get so many books and pitches that come across my desk. There are so many talented4w authors, pastors and leaders out there and I wish I could have every one of them on. I always pray for discernment on which guests to put in front of you.
When the new book, Rebranding the Church by Dr. Eric Mason, came across my desk, I was definitely intrigued. Dr. Mason planted a church in a tough neighborhood in Philly over 19 years ago. He’s a passionate pastor, husband and father that is leaning into important conversations for unity in the church.
This conversation challenged my thinking and I pray it does that for you too. In today’s episode, Dr Mason and I talk about the state of the church and the constant division we are seeing. Are we being a light to our cities? Are we unified with other believers or treating them like enemies? What is the image the world sees with church leadership?
I hope this stirs your thinking (like it did for me) and challenges you to lead my family well in the area of church unity. My favorite part is towards the end when he talks about his approach to Christian parenting. He has his kids listen to podcasts and it invites them to ask questions around faith. He encourages us to invite dialogue into our home. I love that he is an intentional and present dad in the midst of pastoring thousands of people.
Enjoy!
Courtney
Chapters:
(00:00) Introduction and Family Dynamics
(05:03) Navigating the Church's Image and Unity
(10:00) Leadership Challenges in Modern Church
(22:42) Parenting in a Complex Spiritual Landscape
(27:39) The Importance of Presence in Parenting
(29:15) Breaking the Soil of the Heart
(30:12) Unity in the Midst of Division
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| 0:00.0 | Christian Parenting. |
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| 0:22.1 | Each weekday morning, you'll get one verse to strengthen your spirit, one parenting insight, |
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| 0:43.3 | inbox every weekday. That's morning minute.org or click the link in the show notes. |
| 0:48.0 | Music Hey friends, welcome back to Pardon the Mess. I'm your host, Courtney Defeo. Let me ask you two favors. One, three. Okay, one, can you press follow wherever you listen to podcasts? Just Just click follow and that helps us so much. |
| 1:27.2 | The second thing is leave a review. Super, super helpful. We want even more moms to find us in this new year. And then lastly, can you send me a DM? And if I don't get back to you, send it to me again because I try to respond to every one of them. But sometimes I get flustered and one gets lost. and so I'm never ignoring you. |
| 1:28.3 | I always want to hear from you. |
| 1:30.1 | So send me a DM and here's my question for you. What topic or what guest do you want to be on the podcast this year? I really want this to be so |
| 1:36.5 | incredibly practical and helpful for you. I'm actually really prayerful about who I have on here. And this is one of |
| 1:42.7 | those things that I feel like God just plopped in my lap |
| 1:44.8 | this episode today that I'm really excited about it because I feel like if we're always having |
| 1:49.3 | the same people in the same community, the same voices, I think we start to be in an echo chamber. |
| 1:55.3 | And so this is one of those voices that came in through a pitch folder that I was like, |
| 1:59.6 | this is really challenging and really |
| 2:01.4 | interesting and kind of off the grid of what we would normally talk about here. And we kind of rise up, |
| 2:06.2 | instead of talking about parenting, we're talking about the church at large, like about being a |
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