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Feel Better, Live More with Dr Rangan Chatterjee

How To Heal Chronic Pain with Dr Howard Schubiner (re-release) #519

Feel Better, Live More with Dr Rangan Chatterjee

Dr Rangan Chatterjee

Health & Fitness, Medicine, Alternative Health, Mental Health

4.810.9K Ratings

🗓️ 2 February 2025

⏱️ 128 minutes

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Summary

Headaches, migraine, back, neck or joint pain, irritable bowel syndrome (IBS), fibromyalgia – they’re just some of the common causes of chronic pain, which is estimated to affect between a third to half of all UK adults, or just under 28 million of us.   If you or someone close to you is one of them, you don’t need me to tell you it can be physically and emotionally draining. You probably feel like you’ve tried everything – so today’s podcast has the potential to be a life-changing listen for you. My guest is Dr Howard Schubiner, Director of the Mind Body Medicine Center in Michigan and author of Unlearn Your Pain: A 28-day Process to Reprogram Your Brain.   Emerging neuroscience tells us our brains actually create what we experience in our bodies, through a process called predictive processing. Pain doesn’t come from the body part where it’s felt, it’s created by our brain, signalling that something needs attention. And as Howard explains, our emotions and stress activate the same pain centres in our brain as an injury. If you’ve ever had a broken heart and experienced chest pain? That’s what’s happening.   The same thing occurs with chronic pain. In the vast majority of cases, there is no structural problem – such as injury, infection or a tumour – although of course these must be ruled out. Instead, your brain has created a neural pathway which remembers the pain and keeps you trapped in a vicious cycle. You fear the pain, that causes you stress, and the stress makes the pain real.   And that is the absolute key here: it’s not ‘all in your head’, your pain is real. And there is something you can do about it. During this conversation, Howard reveals why the key is changing your narrative on pain. His revolutionary therapies – which you can easily access – have been proven to work not just with chronic pain but in other persistent conditions such as depression and anxiety, chronic fatigue and long Covid.   We discuss the role healthcare practitioners can play in these conditions, through listening and empathy. We also chat about the role of posture, cultural differences in pain experience and complementary therapies to his approach.   Chronic pain isn’t a subject we’ve covered in depth on this podcast before, so I’m very pleased I have the chance to bring this important conversation to you. Howard is one of the leading researchers in this field and his work represents a game-changing, paradigm shift in thinking about how we approach this epidemic. I hope what you’ll take from this episode is that the power of your brain is immense, and that knowledge is power. I hope you enjoy listening.   Support the podcast and enjoy Ad-Free episodes. Try FREE for 7 days on Apple Podcasts https://apple.co/feelbetterlivemore. For other podcast platforms go to https://fblm.supercast.com.   Thanks to our sponsors: https://drinkag1.com/livemore https://exhalecoffee.com/livemore Show notes https://drchatterjee.com/519   DISCLAIMER: The content in the podcast and on this webpage is not intended to be a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Always seek the advice of your doctor or qualified healthcare provider. Never disregard professional medical advice or delay in seeking it because of something you have heard on the podcast or on my website.

Transcript

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0:00.0

The pain is not the problem. It's the solution. It's the solution that our brain has come up with to alert us to a problem.

0:08.3

Your brain is saying, like, look, I'm worried about you. There's something wrong. There's something amiss.

0:13.3

When we can understand that, people can understand that the symptoms they're getting in their body sometimes.

0:19.6

And this is really hard for some people

0:21.3

to hear they're a blessing in disguise they're pointing us towards something that we need to do or

0:26.7

we need to take care of hey guys how you doing hope you're having a good week so far my name is

0:33.1

dr wrongen chattery and this is my podcast, Feel Better, Live More.

0:40.9

This podcast is getting so many new listeners at the moment because of the global release

0:47.4

of my brand new book, the number one Sunday Times bestseller, make change that lasts.

0:57.3

And so during January and February, I am re-releasing some classic evergreen conversations from this podcast's back catalogue every single Sunday

1:05.7

to give new listeners a real flavour of what this podcast is all about. And today's re-release has the potential

1:14.0

I know to be a life-changing listen. My guest is Dr. Howard Schubner, director of the Mind

1:22.1

Body Medicine Center in Michigan, an author of Unlearn Your Pain, a 28-day process to reprogram your brain.

1:31.9

Now, have you or someone close to you ever experienced pain that just wouldn't go away?

1:38.7

Headaches, migraines, back pain, neck, joint pain, irritable bowel syndrome, fibromyalgia. These are just some of the

1:47.8

common causes of chronic pain, which is currently estimated to affect around 28 million people

1:55.5

in the UK alone. And if you or someone close to you experience this chronic pain, you probably don't

2:03.2

need me to tell you it can be physically and emotionally draining. And you probably feel like

2:09.7

you've tried everything. But before you give up hope, I urge you to listen carefully.

2:23.6

Emerging neuroscience tells us that our brains actually create what we experience in our bodies. Pain does not come from the body part where it's felt.

2:30.9

It's actually created by our brain signaling that something needs attention.

2:37.0

And as Howard explained, our emotions and stress activate the same pain centers in our brain as an injury.

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