Hello, my name is Jesse Mickey and this is podcast number 468 for wine and where we teach

you four rules to help you stop if you pay check to paycheck, get out of debt and save

more money.

Today I'm pleased to tell you that we have the CEO from ToDoist and he and I, he's coming

from Barcelona, Spain actually and he and I got together over Zoom and we had a chat

about what it looks like to have well productive year, what it looks like to be productive

and basically how he and I have pretty similar origin stories solving very difficult problems

for people.

So we have a lot of people that struggle with their money and they feel like their money

just kind of slips to their fingers and everything's reactive and isn't that the same with

our time?

Isn't that the same with what a mirror calls our energy and he actually took issue with

me saying it's time management and he called it energy management which I liked quite

a bit more.

So I chat with a mere super casual and he gives us his own routine and kind of how he manages

things, everything from trusting the system to using the inbox, to having things be quick

and easy and available, whatever you can as far as being able to just dump ideas and to

do's and follow-ups.

We have some big fans of ToDoist here at Wineham and there are also a lot of ToDoist employees

that are big fans of Wineham so we have this little bit of a cross collaboration going

on today.

Without further ado, I'm pleased to bring you my chat with Amir of ToDoist, the makers

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