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I think she just kind of wants like a kidney to land in her mailbox, you know, to have like no

associated guilt or worry about the donor.

And I said, but if I take it out, it's not going to be any good to me anymore.

You might as well.

Like I would hand it to her on a plate and she would, you know, have to out of good manners, take it.

But she said, no, I won't take it.

I won't take your kidney.

This is how to, a show where we help people figure out the answers to life's most important questions. I'm Charles Duhigg. Today, we're going to do

something a little bit different. We're going to talk to someone who's facing an excruciating decision

and ask, how do you get at peace with making a huge sacrifice?

How do you plunge in when there's something you know you ought to do,

but you're scared?

Because this choice will cause you pain and suffering.

And in the end, it might not even help the person you're doing it for.

My name is Mary.

I live in Utah and am a mother and a daughter and a sister.

And I work in research.

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