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Episode 461, How to Get to the Root of Clutter and Solve It For Good with Katie Wells.

Welcome to the Frugal Friends podcast, where you'll learn to save money, embrace simplicity,

and live a rich in your life.

Here are your host, Jen and Jill.

Welcome to the Frugal Friends podcast.

I'm going to cut Jill off or copyright and friend.

I don't know if that's, I don't know if it's legal.

We can't say.

We are so excited.

Wait, you have to do the thing.

I'm Jen. I'm Jill. And we are so excited wait you have to do the thing i'm jen i'm jill and we are super excited to have another episode about decluttering and specifically the psychology behind what i have just coined an hour ago as

a deconsumption. So we talk about consumption, bringing

items into your space and how to align that with your values. And Katie talks about how to

get to the root of why it's difficult to purge certain things, to deconsume. So it's a very

paralleled message. And so I hope that you find, if you like, you know, how we talk about

spending, you'll like how she talks about decluttering. I have a lot of takeaways from this episode, and I would consider myself having already

decluttered my life and so much, so many mindset shifts out of this one. So it was really

good conversation. I'm excited to share it with you all. But first,

this episode is brought to you by prizes, these little surprise treats that everyone loves to receive. Many times they're won. Prizes are won because you were like the best at something.

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