Hi everyone, I'm Susie Weiss, and I've noticed there's just simply not enough podcasts in the world. So I'm launching my own. Let's go. Let's go, baby. Second Thought is a weekly show about pop culture. The stuff everyone's been binging, arguing about, obsessing over. Here's the thing about heated rivalry. I mean, even the most devoted swifties, I think we can agree, not our best work. We'll be hosting thoughtful conversations with culture's most important figures. Talk about genius.

Talk about generational talent.

Coming to headphones near you on can agree not our best work. We'll be hosting thoughtful conversations with culture's most important figures.

Talk about genius.

Talk about generational talent.

Coming to headphones near you on April 17th,

with a first guest you won't want to miss.

Available wherever you get your podcasts.

My therapist actually thinks my enemies list is great,

but what he did tell me was I'm concerned about the degree to which you enjoy

getting revenge on people. He's like, I'm not sure if that's the healthiest thing. I like my therapist.

But I do think that there's a certain level of joy and glee you should have in defeating terrible

people in the world with small acts of outrage and ridiculousness and silliness.

Welcome to how to. I'm Courtney Martin. We're living in a moment in history that feels

exhausting, frightening, frustrating, and if you're like me, you get angry at injustices

big and small. It's hard to know what to do with these emotions and whether

it's possible to kind of make things right on some level. I'm not just talking politically.

I'm talking interpersonally, little stuff that just drives you crazy. Where's the accountability?

Where's the catharsis? Here at How To, we've been talking about the idea of an anti-hero, not just the Taylor Swift song, but about the iconic trope, someone who isn't exactly the good guy, but also not exactly the villain.

An anti-hero is someone who might behave badly, but ultimately does the right thing.

For our next few episodes, we're going to explore what it takes to be an anti-hero.

My co-host, Carvel Wallace, will sit down with Slate Calmness, Saatchie Cole to talk about

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