This is Find Your Dream Job, the podcast that helps you get hired, have the career you want, and make a difference in life.

I'm your host, Mac Pritchard.

I'm also the founder of Max List.

It's a job board in the Pacific Northwest that helps you find a fulfilling career. Every Wednesday, I talk to a different expert about the tools you need to get the work you want. You're ready to move on. So what do you want to do next? If you don't know, you're making your next job search harder and longer.

Saras Stowe is here to talk about how to get clear about what you want. She's the vice president of people and culture at True Turpene's.

Her company creates high quality, thoroughly tested, and trusted aromatics. And she joins us from Portland, Oregon.

Well, let's jump right into it.

Sarah, when we talk about getting clear about what you want, what is this mean exactly in a job search?

You know, when we talk about finding a dream job or following your passion. It's sort of assuming that people already

know what that is. And I work a lot with high school students doing workforce readiness and

job prep and what's next. And most of them, and I think most of us, when we look back,

it's like, you know, we didn't necessarily have a dream or we maybe had a dream

but we didn't have the talent or maybe we had the dream but we didn't have the privilege to be

able to pursue it. But for most of us, we don't know what that means. And there was several

years ago, there was just really kind of like a big theme of that of like pursue your

passion pursue your dream that's why you'll find happiness and I don't disagree with that but I

think where it left people was feeling like well I don't have that so then does work and the job

mean I'm not going to be happy I'm not no happiness for me to find there. And that becomes a

self-fulfilling prophecy because we're responsible for our own happiness. Why do people struggle

with this? Not only when they're coming out of high school or college, but later in their

career. What's been your experience? There's a certain aspect of knowing yourself and understanding

sort of where your values are. And if you're in misalignment, sometimes it just, you can't put

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