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That's audible.com slash Wondery UK. Hello and welcome to the Upgrade, LifeHackers podcast, where we help you improve your life one week at a time.

I'm Melissa Kirsch, editor-in-chief of LifeHacker.

And I'm Alice Bradley, Deputy Editor of Lifehacker. So Alice, today we're talking to one of my personal heroes, Sharon Salzberg.

Sharon is one of the people who brought Buddhist meditation and mindfulness practice to the West and into mainstream culture. She co-founded the Insight Meditation Society

in Barry, Massachusetts, where I've been on several retreats. In fact, Sharon was the first

meditation teacher I ever had. I took a class with her about 12 years ago and had been practicing,

as they say, ever since. Sharon is also the author of nine books, including the New York Times bestseller,

Real Happiness, which I need to know about, her seminal work, loving kindness, and her new book,

which comes out tomorrow, Real Love, the Art of Mindful Connection. I am very excited and a little bit

nervous to have Sharon in the studio. She's like your personal hero.

She's one of my personal heroes. She's just such an incredibly brilliant teacher.

You know, I mean, when we think about mindfulness and the way that it has pervaded society now

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