Hey, everybody, it's Joe Trippie, and welcome back to that Trippie show with my co-host,

Alex Ashlow. When we started this podcast, the idea was talk not just about what's going on in the world of

politics, but also discuss technology,

where we see, you know, our use of the internet going, and folks, it's not good, and it's getting

worse. We've talked about it before on the show, but the leaps that AI has made in the past 12

months are just massive. The potential to distort reality is there.

You've seen the corrosive effects of social networks like X.

It's why I started says dot US.

It's by far the biggest threat to democracy.

So when our friend Trigby Olson started a new series about how autocrats will use AI and how we can

fight back, we wanted him on the show.

You know, quote, autocrats will use AI to a road reality.

Trigby says, democracy's defenders must use it to anchor shared truth. Welcome back, Trigby.

Yeah, thanks for having me, Joe. Alex, it's always good to be on. So, Alex, where should we get started, buddy?

You say the title of one of Trigvys pieces, autocrats will use the idea of reality.

The one thing before we get into it and Trigvey has seven rules I really want to talk about

today that are kind of an updated seven rules for this AI world we live in.

The thing is, and I think for a useful thing for people to keep in mind, what we're talking

about and what you can see has been

now going on for years. Obviously, we've had some pretty significant advances like Joe, like you

said, in AI in the last year or so, but the type of the tactics we're talking about, the type of

propaganda we're talking about and just the goals.

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