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figures. Talk about genius. Talk about generational talent. Coming to headphones near you on April 17th, with a first guess you won't want to miss. Available wherever you get your podcasts. I mean, I still do have that thing where if I hear a song on the radio and I like it and I pull it up on Spotify, and I find out the song has like, you know, 11,000 plays.

I'm like, yes, you know what I mean?

And if I find it up on Spotify and I find out the song has like you know 11,000 plays.

I'm like yes you know what I mean and if I find it has like 30 million plays I'm like oh man

Welcome to how to I'm Carvel Wallace and I love music. I always have. Some of my earliest memories

involved me lying on the floor of my bedroom when I was supposed to be cleaning it, but instead

just staring at the ceiling and listening to Michael Jackson singing Lady in my life.

Which I contend then, and contend now now is by a wide margin the best song on thriller

and maybe even of his whole career. I don't care. You can fight me about that. I would get lost

in that song. I would get emotional. I had this experience a lot back then in the 80s with

prints and musical youth and men at work, don't judge me.

I was eight. And when I grew older, I would get overwhelmed listening to Fishbone and NWA and

Spice One and John Coltrane and Jimmy Hendrix and Sonic Youth. I would take the bus down Ventura Boulevard

in the valley and spend all day flipping through tapes and CDs at the

warehouse music and video store where I would later have one of my first jobs. I could only

afford to buy one thing and so I had to choose carefully. I wanted the music to be so good that it would

make me cry. Music never stopped being important to me.

I played in bands in college and in my 20s and 30s,

and I even wrote about music for pitchfork

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