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Mind Love • Modern Mindfulness to Think, Feel, and Live Well

How to Disagree Without Disconnecting with Caroline Fleck • 408

Mind Love • Modern Mindfulness to Think, Feel, and Live Well

Melissa Monte | Conscious Coach

Mental Health, Mindfulness, Consciousness, Personal Growth, Spiritual Growth, Inspirational, Awakening, Religion & Spirituality, Spirituality, Education, Self-improvement, Health & Fitness

4.9897 Ratings

🗓️ 1 July 2025

⏱️ 69 minutes

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Summary

In this episode, you'll learn: Why validation has nothing to do with agreement and why that distinction saves relationships How to stay connected to people even when their choices make no sense to you How to validate others while holding onto your own truth and boundaries What if every conflict you've ever had was actually your soul trying to teach you something about unconditional love? I know how that sounds. But stick with me here. We throw around the word "validation" like it's some basic relationship skill. Like it's about saying "that sounds hard" when someone's having a bad day. But real validation? The kind that actually transforms relationships and heals trauma? That's something entirely different. It's about learning to see someone so completely that they remember who they really are underneath all their defenses and patterns and pain. It's about holding space for another person's truth without abandoning your own. It's about loving someone exactly as they are while they're making choices you can't understand. Today we're talking to Caroline Fleck, a psychologist who spent over ten years mastering validation through dialectical behavior therapy. She's worked with everyone from people in crisis to couples ready to call it quits. She's discovered that this one skill can keep relationships intact even when you're on opposite sides of everything. Links from the episode: Show Notes: mindlove.com/408 Join the Mind Love Collective Sign up for The Morning Mind Love for short daily notes to wake up inspired Support Mind Love Sponsors Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

What if every conflict you've ever had was actually just your soul trying to teach you something about unconditional love?

0:09.0

And I know how that sounds, but stick with me for a second.

0:12.0

We throw around the word validation, like it's some basic relationship skill.

0:18.0

Like it's about saying, that sounds hard when someone's having a bad day.

0:22.6

But real validation, the kind that actually transforms relationships and heals trauma,

0:29.6

I think it's something entirely different.

0:31.6

I think it's about learning someone so completely that they remember who they really are underneath all of their

0:39.5

defenses and patterns and pain. It's about holding space for another person's truth without

0:47.2

abandoning your own. It's about loving someone exactly as they are while they're making choices

0:53.5

that you can't understand.

0:56.1

I feel like most people have gotten pretty good at the basic validation stuff now,

1:00.8

or at least in my circle, and I know I live in a bubble.

1:03.4

But thank God for that viral reel on Instagram teaching us all to ask,

1:08.0

do you need support or solutions?

1:10.2

So we figured out how to listen without immediately jumping into fix-it mode.

1:14.6

But there are situations where it's a lot harder to validate.

1:19.6

Like when you're watching people you love make choices that feel completely wrong to you.

1:24.6

Or when your values and their values seem to be on different planets.

1:30.2

The kind of disagreements that are tearing families and friendships apart because there's

1:33.9

just so much division right now. The kind of conflict where people realize that they're not

1:39.3

just trying to be right, they're fighting for their entire sense of self, their worldview, their identity,

1:46.9

everything they thought they knew about who they are and what matters, which is one of the reasons

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