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Hey, shortwifers, Emily Kwong here with producer Rachel Carlson for an episode on Disagreement.

Hey, Emily.

Hey.

So it is no surprise that there is a lot of disagreement and division out there in the world right now.

That's the understatement of the century.

Truly.

And a lot of people are gearing up for the holidays where you might not always see eye to eye with the people you love in your life.

Yeah, this is true for many people I know.

It is feeling tense and data supports this.

Polling data from SNF, Agora Institute at Johns Hopkins University shows that almost half of the U.S.

electorate thinks members of the opposing party are downright evil. In a 22 Pew study,

growing numbers of Americans said members of the other party are dishonest, moral, and

close-minded. So it's not just in our imaginations. We really are becoming more divided.

So, Emily, I wanted to know, what does science have to say about how to manage conflict well, political or otherwise?

And that's how I ended up talking to two people who've been disagreeing with each other for almost 45 years.

Jeannie Safer is a psychoanalyst.

She's liberal, and she's married to Richard Brookheiser, a conservative Republican who works for the National Review.

And he's adorable, so he's like 92 feet tall.

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