Help your family stay healthy this winter with Sambacol, the UK's number one supplement brand for immunity.

And they have sponsoring the podcast this week. Winter bugs are just the worst. And if you get ill as the parent, it is so challenging. And it's probably even harder seeing little ones unwell. So it's important to keep your family's

immune system healthy. Sam Bacol immunity supplements are packed with natural black elderberries

and vitamin C, which contribute to the normal function of the immune system. And

Sambacol supplements are available in delicious formats, including liquids and gummies for both children

and us the adults. Shop sambicle at boots.com.

Hey everyone, it is your host, Zoe here. Welcome to this episode of the Motherkind podcast.

This is the show that is going to give you all the tools,

all the ideas, and all the validation that you need to help us navigate the massive challenges that we face as modern mothers. Thank you for being here. Thank you for pushing that little

play button. I never take it for granted that so many of you show up week in, week out. And I really,

really appreciate you. We have such a good episode for you today. Jess van der Veer is the founder

of Nurtured First, formerly our Mama Village, which you might know from her Instagram. So Jess is a

registered psychotherapist and a mum of three.

And in this episode, she shares with us how hard she found it going from two to three children.

But this episode is really about how to cope when you're not coping. And I know that all of us will have had moments when we are

not coping. And that is the gift that this episode gives you. Jess shares so many ideas

from her personal life and her professional life about what to do when we just feel overwhelmed.

Like we are swimming in that place where it's too

much. I love Jess. She is incredibly qualified and also incredibly real. And I think that is a very

rare combination. I think you're going to love this one. And if you do, please do send it to anyone who is going

through that transition in your life right now, maybe from one to two children or two to three

or maybe even three to four. If we can help just one mother feel less alone, feel more normal

...