How To Connect With Nature When You Don't Like Gardening + Dealing With Content Fatigue and Decreased Attention Spans with Ruby Warrington (author of Sober Curious and Women Without Kids)
INSIDE AND OUTSIDE: Nature + Pop Culture News with Jessica Murnane
Jessica Murnane
4.9 • 651 Ratings
🗓️ 2 December 2025
⏱️ 71 minutes
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Summary
In this epsiode, we discuss how Ruby isn't into gardening (and how she connects with nature in her own way), how to deal with constant content (newsletters, social media, news, etc), and how the act of reading novels can bring back your attention span (and bring more joy).
About this week's guest: Ruby is a journalist and author.
Show notes!
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Ruby's Work:
Website
Sober Curious
Sober Curious Reset
Women Without Kids
Material World, Mystical Girl
Things we talked about:
Flesh byDavid Szalay
Books to TV / Movies 2025-26
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Transcript
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| 0:00.0 | Hey, hey, I'm Jessica Mernan, and this is an inside and outside podcast. I'm an author and |
| 0:17.9 | a horticultural therapy practitioner. And with my company Basker, I help people, help. |
| 0:23.0 | I help people in businesses use nature and gardening for health, creativity, and social well-being. |
| 0:29.0 | And in this podcast, you'll hear our guest this week has zero interest in gardening. |
| 0:34.6 | So we talk about her connection to nature because you don't have to like gardening or hiking |
| 0:39.2 | or being in the woods to get a connection to nature. You can do it in your own way. So we talk about that. |
| 0:47.1 | We're just going to get to it today. This week, my guest is Ruby Warrington. She's a journalist and author. |
| 0:52.6 | She might be best known for coining the phrase sober curious, which is a book and also a journalist and author. She might be best known for coining the phrase Sober Curious, |
| 0:55.9 | which is a book and also a podcast and really just this big movement for people to reevaluate |
| 1:02.4 | their relationship to alcohol. I've heard from people in my own life how much that book |
| 1:07.9 | and her message has helped them. And so if you haven't read it, pick it up. |
| 1:12.4 | It's a really good one. She also wrote Material Girl, Mystical World, the Numinous Astrodeck, |
| 1:17.7 | The Sober Curious Reset, and her last book was Women Without Kids. She's currently writing her |
| 1:23.6 | newest book, on the day we recorded this episode, which was last Friday. It was due in three days. |
| 1:29.3 | Today, actually, Monday. You're listening to this on Tuesday. So Ruby, I hope you got it turned in. |
| 1:34.6 | We're going to talk all about what that new book is about. I met Ruby back in 2017 when my first book came out. |
| 1:42.2 | I had a UK deal and my UK publisher arranged an interview with |
| 1:47.3 | the Evening Standard and they flew me to New York to be interviewed by Ruby, which is so rare and |
| 1:52.9 | I'm not even sure if that happens anymore unless you're a celebrity, but I got lucky. |
| 1:57.4 | And they chose her to interview me. We hit it off and we've been friends ever since. |
| 2:03.2 | She's the best. In this episode, we talk about how Ruby is not into gardening, the content |
| 2:09.1 | machine that's everywhere right now and our inbox is on our phones, everywhere we look, |
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