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I'm John Robbins and joining me on How Do You Coke this week is the musician Justin Hawkins.

How big a meatloaf fan, I?

A big meatloaf fan.

I remember he came over to me, grabbed me, and he squeezed me, and he said to me,

I want you to think of me as your father. And he had like sausage on his breath.

So every time I smell sage and pork, I think of meatloaf.

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Hello, dear listener, and welcome back to owning it the anxiety podcast with me, Caroline Forin.

This week I'm thrilled to be joined by a returning guest and someone who has been very influential in my life both personally and professionally, and that is the international bestselling author Sarah Knight.

She first wrote the life-changing magic of not giving Sarah Knight. She first wrote The Life Changing Magic of Not Giving a Fuck.

She went on to write several, well, countless more.

She's still, it's no stopping her.

Her latest book is called Grow the Fuck Up.

Here we chat about another book of her is called Calm the Fuck Down,

which is so important for owning it listeners and it's all about anxiety and we drill down

specifically here into Sarah's own personal experience of anxiety as well as how to communicate

that anxiety with people in your life before discussing all of what's in Grow the Fuck Up

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