Welcome to the Jill on Money Show, it's Saturday, September 3rd.

And we are concluding our author series, our author summer series, by re-airing a great

interview with Katie Milkman.

Katie is the author of How to Change, the science of getting from where you are to where

you want to be.

Katie is a collegiate tennis player and she starts this conversation with a story about

Andre Agassi.

So here is the first part of our interview with Katie Milkman.

So you started your book with a story of Andre Agassi.

Now, why'd you do that and explain how that gets us into this idea of how to change?

Yeah, I started the book with Andre Agassi first because tennis is my language.

That's what I grew up playing.

That's one of the reasons.

But second to make a really important point about behavior change and the nature of being

smart about change.

So the story involves a pivotal moment in Agassi's career where he was really struggling despite

having lots of media attention for his flashy clothes and flashy attitude and style.

He actually wasn't doing very well on the tour.

He was ranked something like 32nd in the world in the early 1990s despite everyone's expectations

that he would be dominating the tour based on his childhood prodigy status and his talent.

And he has this pivotal conversation with Brad Gilbert who was a superstar who just

written a bestselling book called Winning Ugly and had outperformed his talent vastly on

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