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The Futur with Chris Do

How To Become World-Class At Anything w/ Jodie Cook | Ep 434

The Futur with Chris Do

The Futur

Business, Arts, Education, Self-improvement, Marketing, Design

4.9998 Ratings

🗓️ 20 May 2026

⏱️ 27 minutes

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Summary

Most people think they're world-class. Most people are wrong. In this conversation, Chris sits down with Jodie Cook, entrepreneur, powerlifter, and author, to break down what it actually means to operate at the very top of any field, and what separates the truly elite from everyone else who just thinks they are. They get into the five markers of world-class performance, the four stages of competence (and which one is most dangerous), why the "curse of knowledge" makes mastery hard to teach, and how obsession, not talent, is the common thread across every elite performer Jodie studied. Timestamps: (00:00) - Intro (00:21) - Defining World-Class (02:05) - Popularity vs. True Mastery (05:20) - Beyonce, Abundance, and Letting Go (06:27) - The Four Stages of Competence (08:43) - The Curse of Knowledge (12:24) - How to Demonstrate World-Class (13:38) - From Bullied to Celebrated (15:58) - How to Spot Real Mastery (18:27) - Is Jodie World-Class? (20:48) - Is Chris World-Class? (23:35) - The Path to the Top (25:54) - Chris's Closing Challenge Check out today's guest, Jodie Cook: LinkedIn: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/jodie-cook/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ YouTube: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/@Jodie_Cook⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Websites: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.jodiecook.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/jodie.cook_/?hl=en⁠⁠⁠⁠ Check out The Futur: Website: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.thefutur.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Courses: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.thefutur.com/shop⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Linkedin: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/company/the-futur/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Podcasts: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://thefutur.com/podcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/thefuturishere/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Facebook: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.facebook.com/theFuturisHere/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ X : ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/thefuturishere⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ TikTok: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.tiktok.com/@thefuturishere⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Youtube: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/thefuturishere⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Check out Chris Do: LinkedIn: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/thechrisdo/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Facebook: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.facebook.com/BizOfDesign⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Instagram:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://www.instagram.com/thechrisdo/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ X:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://x.com/thechrisdo⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ TikTok: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.tiktok.com/@thechrisdo⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Threads: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.threads.net/@thechrisdo⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Behance: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.behance.net/chrisdo Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Today we're going to talk about how you become world-class at something. And honestly, in researching for this, it just made me want to stop doing every single thing that I do, apart from one thing and be world-class at it.

0:13.5

Because I've been studying people who are obsessed with one thing, and it's infectious. It's really cool.

0:21.5

So what does world- class mean, Jody?

0:24.0

So Wenda, how do you define world class? I've got someone is not only among the very best,

0:28.2

but they set the standard for others. And then the definition of world class that we could

0:32.9

follow in this episode has five main points. And that's measurable dominance that it can be quantified

0:39.5

against others. So like World Records or Championships or Market Share or Output or Skill Ratings,

0:44.4

something that shows that you operate at the very top. Two is consistency over time.

0:49.6

So it's not just that you peak once, it's that you sustain it. So world-class means you show up year after

0:55.1

year. It's not just this flash of brilliance that then goes away. Separation from peers,

1:00.6

number three. So the idea that if you watch someone doing their thing, the gap is obvious. They've

1:07.5

got some kind of speed or some kind of quality or some kind of insight that makes even other high performers look ordinary. And then for influence on the field,

1:18.9

so they're almost redefining what good looks like. So they're doing their thing and then

1:24.1

others are copying their techniques. they're copying their style because that

1:27.8

person has themselves raised the bar. And then the fifth one is their mindset and the process

1:34.2

that they follow. So the idea that they're not just talented and they haven't just been born

1:39.4

with something that they're just using. They've also got a system. They're obsessed with the details.

1:43.7

They put in

1:44.8

relentless training, recovery, feedback loops, and then discipline to keep improving, even when

1:51.3

they are already ahead. And then discipline, we'll probably talk about later because they might not

1:57.3

see it as discipline. They might just see it as what they do. But then to an onlooker,

2:01.8

they will look incredibly regimented and disciplined. Yeah. So your definition or your criteria

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