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pulling a timeless EO Fire classic episode from the Archives and we'll be breaking down

how to become defiant in every sense of the word. To drop these value bombs I bought

Janine the machine shepherd and the EO Fire Studios Janine Shepherd has gone through so

many obstacles in her life and one thing she's learned through all of it is to be defiant.

What we're talking about her book Defiant a Broken Body is not a broken person and

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Well I think I was born defiant. I think we all are and I like to tell people that the

defiant human spirit is not something that you have it's something that you are you

know I say we have this light inside of us our pilot light that's always burning and

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