How to be a whistleblower with Sophie Zhang
There Are No Girls on the Internet
iHeartPodcasts
4.1 • 906 Ratings
🗓️ 27 October 2021
⏱️ 38 minutes
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Summary
Frances Haugen isn’t the only woman to blow the whistle on Facebook. Meet Sophie Zhang, a former Facebook data scientist who blew the whistle on Facebook back in 2020.
Read Sophie’s handbook for whistleblowers in the Guardian. How to blow the whistle on Facebook – from someone who already did: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/oct/11/facebook-whistleblower-sophie-zhang-guide
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| 0:00.0 | There are No Girls on the Internet as a production of IHeart Radio and Unbossed Creative. |
| 0:12.0 | I'm Bridget Todd, and this is There Are No Girls on the Internet. |
| 0:17.6 | What does it mean to be a whistleblower? And how do we treat women who speak out against wrongdoing? |
| 0:23.2 | By now, you've probably heard of Francis Howgan. The former Facebook employee turned whistleblower, |
| 0:28.5 | who collected information for a series of exposés about the harm that Facebook has caused in our communities and around the globe. |
| 0:35.3 | My name is Francis Howgan. I used to work at Facebook. I joined Facebook because I think |
| 0:40.7 | Facebook has the potential to bring out the best in us. But I'm here today because I believe |
| 0:45.7 | Facebook's products harm children, stoke division, and weaken our democracy. |
| 0:51.2 | This week, her findings will be rolled out in what's being called the Facebook Papers, |
| 0:56.0 | a series of coordinated stories in 17 different media outlets based on the internal documents |
| 1:01.2 | she photographed during her time working at Facebook. But Hougain isn't the first woman to blow |
| 1:06.1 | the whistle on Facebook. In September 2020, a year before Hogan spoke out, Sophie Zong, a woman of color who worked as a |
| 1:13.1 | data scientist at Facebook, uncovered that Facebook was slow to act or in some cases did nothing |
| 1:18.2 | at all about coordinated fake campaigns by foreign governments that were manipulating citizens |
| 1:22.9 | and destabilizing democracies. Only, when Sophie spoke up, she didn't get to testify before the Senate, |
| 1:29.7 | or go on 60 minutes to tell the world what she'd found. And in some cases, media outlets didn't |
| 1:35.9 | even refer to her as a whistleblower, just some former employee. Sophie is the kind of person who would |
| 1:41.7 | rather be at home playing with her two cats than doing interviews. |
| 1:45.3 | But that hasn't stopped her. |
| 1:47.0 | She continues to speak up, including recently testifying before Parliament in the UK. |
| 1:52.4 | When a whistleblower speaks up, we all see the polished interviews and hear the snappy soundbites. |
| 1:58.0 | But Sophie wants people to know the reality. |
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