Welcome to Current Affairs. My name is Nathan Robinson. I am the editor and chief of Current Affairs Magazine.

My guest today is the media critic journalist, activist, Norman Solomon.

Norman Solomon is the co-founder of rootsaction.org.

He is also the co-founder of the Institute for Public Accuracy. He is a two-time Bernie Sanders

delegate, and his many, many books include unreliable sources, guide to detecting bias in

news media. War made easy, how presidents and pundits keep spitting us to death, target Iraq, what the news media didn't tell you, and many more, including the infamous The Trouble with Dilbert, how corporate culture gets the last laugh from 1997. Norman Solomon, thank you so much for joining us on current affairs.

Oh, Nathan, it's a pleasure to be here. Yeah, I'm so excited to talk to you. And, you know,

as I was looking through your work to prepare for this, you know, you've written on many,

many things. Your range is fast, but you specialize in media analysis and the analysis of spin, bias, buzzwords.

And, you know, and over and over, you know, your focus has been on taking the information that we receive and showing

people how distortion occurs, the mechanisms of distortion that lead people to get a false

impression of the world. And I, you know, I was thinking back to a conversation that Noam Tromsky at one point had that with the BBC journalist Andrew Marr, where Andrew Marr said to him something like, you know, well, I don't think I'm, I don't think I'm biased.

You know, I'm very sincere. I try to report the news the best as best I can. And Johnsonsky said, it's said, well, I know you don't,

you don't think that.

But,

you know,

if you had different beliefs,

you wouldn't be in the,

in the position you're in.

How can you,

how can you,

how can you,

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