messing up and making repair showing them how that's done showing them that we're all human and that we get to

love our mistakes and that we get to own them and then that lets us grow i think that's just as

important as being a perfect parent and that opportunity only comes because we will undoubtedly fuck up our kids in some way.

Hey, everybody, it's Joe Hudson.

And today we have a unique experience for you.

Bread is not with us, unfortunately.

But Nathan Biches is with us.

Nathan, let's tell them a little bit about you and then how this situation came to be, like how we're sitting here talking.

Sure, yeah. So I saw a tweet of yours that really caught my eye because I'm also a dad and I have two kids now. I had one kid at the time when we tweeted about this and then my second one was born. But you tweeted a question I often get asked is how I raise my two daughters.

People who meet them are impressed and want to know what technique we used. The answer is that there

was no time where my wife or I ever punished them. And if we ever shamed them, we apologized

immediately, which I thought was amazing. So I replied, would read 5K words on this. And then you said, hey, you could come on our podcast and ask questions if that's appealing. And here I am. It is appealing. It sounds amazing. Awesome. Nathan's going to ask me questions about parenting. I'm going to answer. Maybe to start, just like, can you take me back to, you're in a similar spot as me,

your first child is kind of like getting into the toddler years and you, all of a sudden,

the problems become a little more complicated.

Yeah.

Did you always kind of feel like you knew basically the approach you wanted to take or did you

have to come to it over time?

Yeah, I'm curious to hear the story.

Yeah. So the story is I did not get blessed with great parents. I mean, they loved me and they

cared, but they had no idea what they were doing. You know, when our first daughter was born,

for example, my mom recommended that we have a schedule to change the diaper

on because the baby needed to learn how to poop on our schedule. And then told us that they

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