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🗓️ 8 July 2025
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0:00.0 | I think that a lot of people agree that it's not enough anymore to look for the moral minimum. |
0:04.6 | There have been a lot of do-gooder movements in the past that are all about, you know, |
0:09.9 | offsetting your carbon emissions, recycling your garbage, eating a little bit less meat. |
0:15.1 | And I'm not against any of that. |
0:17.1 | I think all that is good. |
0:18.6 | But it's just not ambitious enough because take your |
0:21.5 | environmental footprint. If you do everything right, then in the best possible scenario, you |
0:27.0 | will have reduced your footprint to zero. You live in a tiny house with your own vegetable |
0:31.3 | garden and you might as well not have existed, right? This is not how we're going to prevent |
0:36.4 | climate collects and save democracy |
0:38.2 | and prevent the next pandemic, et cetera. We've got to be a bit more ambitious, almost like, |
0:42.3 | morally greedy. At the school for more ambition, we're not interested in looking for a moral |
0:46.2 | minimum. We're more looking for our moral maximum. We're thinking like, okay, how far can we |
0:51.3 | take this? |
1:02.1 | Yeah. far can we take this? Hello, and welcome to the Politics Girl podcast. I'm your host Lee McGowan. Let's get into it. |
1:06.9 | I'm so excited today because we're taking a break from the daily nightmare that is Trump's |
1:10.3 | America to talk to one of my all-time favorite thinkers, the brilliant Dutch historian and author Rutger |
1:16.1 | Breggman. Rutger is known for his thought-provoking works on history, philosophy, and economics, |
1:21.5 | and if you haven't read any of Rutgers books like Utopia for Realists, Human Kind, |
1:26.3 | or his newest bestseller moral ambition, you really |
1:29.1 | should. If you don't know Rutger as an author, you may remember him from the time he went viral |
1:33.9 | at the World Economic Forum in Davos, when he called out the richest people in the world for |
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