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The Good Fight

How To Avoid High Conflict

The Good Fight

Yascha Mounk

News

4.7 • 964 Ratings

🗓️ 22 May 2021

⏱️ 60 minutes

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Summary

Investigative journalist Amanda Ripley believes good conflict can help solve deep political divides. But when it escalates beyond the point of no return, it becomes “high conflict”: a fight less about the issue at hand and more about owning the other side. In her new book, she chronicles how dangerous high conflict is to individuals and societies — and offers suggestions for how to dig yourself out of it. In this week’s conversation, Yascha Mounk and Amanda Ripley discuss the ways in which high conflict deepens political polarization, how to create a better education system, and how to overcome seemingly intractable conflicts. A written transcript of this conversation is available on persuasion.community Please do listen and spread the word about The Good Fight. If you have not yet signed up for our podcast, please do so now by following this link on your phone. Email: podcast@persuasion.community  Website: http://www.persuasion.community Podcast production by John T. Williams and Rebecca Rashid Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Connect with us! Spotify | Apple | Google Twitter: @Yascha_Mounk & @joinpersuasion Youtube: Yascha Mounk LinkedIn: Persuasion Community Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Terms and conditions apply, see M&M's website for more details. And now the good fight with Yasha Monk.

0:59.0

Hi, my name is David Bernstein,

1:01.0

and I am the founder of the Jewish Institute for Liberal Values.

1:06.2

I recently wrote an article on who decides what's racist for persuasion after I had come out publicly about my views supporting

1:16.2

liberalism and opposing the imposition of critical race theory in society.

1:21.2

It hit me that this view that only people of color or press people have

1:26.7

standing to talk about these complex and sensitive social issues was really the root of cancel culture and a major problem in society.

1:35.9

So critical race theory makes two basic observations.

1:39.8

First that oppression exists not just in the hearts and minds of individuals but in systems in society.

1:46.7

And second, that this oppression that's embedded in systems is really only visible to minorities or marginalized people,

1:55.8

that dominant classes can generally not see the oppression that they're putting in place

2:00.8

for others.

2:01.8

This second observation is sometimes referred to as

2:05.6

standpoint epistemology and it says that really only minorities have standing to

2:11.2

define a view on race and racism against them because they're the only

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