Happy Friday, everyone. We're back with Francis Chan, who joins us again from San Francisco.

Francis and his wife, Lisa, are the authors of the new book, You and Me Forever, Marriage

and Light of Eternity. Francis, how do you and Lisa argue like Christians? I think some

readers of the book will be surprised that you and Lisa have conflict, but of course

married couples won't be surprised at all. We all do at some point. So when it comes

to verbal conflicts and disagreements, what is a core lesson that you have learned

about how to argue with your spouse in a way that honors Christ?

Yes, Lisa and I argue. Honestly, we don't argue that much because we realize we don't

have time for this. There's a, we're on a mission. She describes it like there's a TV show

called the amazing race where couples are racing, you know, to get to this finish line

and they're competing with other couples. But you see certain ones fight and they start

losing ground and they argue with each other and they lose the race. And we look at our

lives very much like that. Like there are things for us to do. And if we, you know, what

we're here to seek is kingdom. We're here to make disciples. And if we spend our time

just fighting with each other, it's going to keep us from his mission. And so one of the

ways we fight is always realizing, okay, divorce isn't an option. And also we don't have

a lot of time to argue about petty things because we're dealing with eternal things. And

so we keep that that that in our minds. Another thing that we keep in mind for me, first

Peter 3 comes to mind where it tells us husbands to live with our wives in this understanding

weighed the the treater as a fellow heir of the grace of life so that our prayers may

not be hindered. Okay, if I don't do this right, God's not going to listen to my prayers.

And I got to have him hear my prayers. That's the most important thing in my life. And so

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